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		<title>By: Marion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my GOD. I had a similar experience with the bed bugs...It was so emotional, going through everything, and being forced to make decisions about clothing that I had kept in a "museum of past lives"--stuff that didnt fit anymore but was so vastly more interesting than what I am currently wearing. I literally felt like a part of me was dying as I tossed this stuff out, crying because I couldn't put these things in the dryer (to kill the bed bugs) and I couldnt afford to dryclean everything to just throw it all back in the closet...to sit unworn...when the ordeal was over. So out it went--to the trash. And now I just have my middle aged clothes. Button down shirts that make me look asexual. I almost feel like my old self never existed. And I made peace with it and now I am focusing on going back to school and a career change, and it's all ok. I must say hang in there with the bugs, it gets better. And you realize how many items you never really needed. Good luck and thank you for writing about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my GOD. I had a similar experience with the bed bugs&#8230;It was so emotional, going through everything, and being forced to make decisions about clothing that I had kept in a &#8220;museum of past lives&#8221;&#8211;stuff that didnt fit anymore but was so vastly more interesting than what I am currently wearing. I literally felt like a part of me was dying as I tossed this stuff out, crying because I couldn&#8217;t put these things in the dryer (to kill the bed bugs) and I couldnt afford to dryclean everything to just throw it all back in the closet&#8230;to sit unworn&#8230;when the ordeal was over. So out it went&#8211;to the trash. And now I just have my middle aged clothes. Button down shirts that make me look asexual. I almost feel like my old self never existed. And I made peace with it and now I am focusing on going back to school and a career change, and it&#8217;s all ok. I must say hang in there with the bugs, it gets better. And you realize how many items you never really needed. Good luck and thank you for writing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Could these be pregnancy symptoms one week after possible conception? &#124; Early Symptoms Of Pregnancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Could these be pregnancy symptoms one week after possible conception? &#124; Early Symptoms Of Pregnancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 07:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joel Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My heart delights at being thought of, and seen for the free-stuff seeker that I am.  I have nothing against wearing women's clothing---especially FREE women's clothing---and consider myself a disciple of Phil Oakey of the Human League.  Nonetheless, I've gotten so much shit from Denise about wearing pants that are a bit too short that I think capris would just be a disaster on the teasing front.  Mind you, it'd still be worth it if I weren't flush with pants at the moment.  I actually just went through my pants and put a few in the donation pile myself.  Plus, there's the whole not wanting to wear leather thing.  But I really appreciate the offer.

Not to nitpick  (feeble attempt at politeness while leading in to a nitpick), but I'm having trouble seeing how the phenomenon you describe is a feedback loop, as opposed to just a trend fatward.  Weight/clothes fit is a product of diet, metabolism, and exercise.  I get that you're older now, which means that your metabolism is slower, and you have more demands on your time, and you exercise less.  Seems like this would produce a relatively stable body type, at least until you get older or your lifestyle changes again.  

The part about "The body changes more..." just seems like a natural aging process, rather than a response to an earlier step in the loop.

So the feedback part must be in the final part, about "Maybe you stop looking in the mirror and/or weighing yourself ."  And so you eat more or exercise less because you care less, as you adjust to your new body?

Leave it to me to focus on the details of a post at the expense of the overall message, but sometimes it's the only way I can understand things.  This still seems like a "lack of feedback" loop rather than a feedback loop.  If I'm getting it, in your younger days you would have looked at yourself in the mirror and decided to lose weight, but now you don't.  So how is this different from you just eating what you want and exercising at a level that seems right, without feeling compelled to look skinny?  Where's the feedback and the loop?  I mean, it's not like you look at yourself in the mirror and say "I'm going to go out and eat a pizza right now!"

I'm also reading this wondering what it says about agency.  The most common message from society is "you make yourself into what you are.  If you're thin, it's because you are virtuous and vigilant.  If you are fat, it's because you lack the willpower to eat right and exercise."  But we also know that people just have different bodies, and some are easy to keep thin, while others are not.  And age affects this too.  For the most part, your post seems consistent with the truth about weight, which is that it's a combination of lifestyle and biology, part within our control and part out of our control.  But I guess what bugs me about calling it a "feedback loop" makes it sound so out of control, and minimizes the role of choice.  Being 10 pounds over fitted tops size does not make it inevitable that you will be in a moo-moo next year.  You'd have to start eating more and exercising less.

Right now, you're in a state of caring less about how your body looks than you did when you were younger.  To be bound for Muu-Muu Land, you'd have to not care at all.  Not saying you should or you shouldn't but it doesn't seem like where you are now, or where you're likely to be any  time soon.  Which is to say, the end of your post sounds very different from a feedback loop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My heart delights at being thought of, and seen for the free-stuff seeker that I am.  I have nothing against wearing women&#8217;s clothing&#8212;especially FREE women&#8217;s clothing&#8212;and consider myself a disciple of Phil Oakey of the Human League.  Nonetheless, I&#8217;ve gotten so much shit from Denise about wearing pants that are a bit too short that I think capris would just be a disaster on the teasing front.  Mind you, it&#8217;d still be worth it if I weren&#8217;t flush with pants at the moment.  I actually just went through my pants and put a few in the donation pile myself.  Plus, there&#8217;s the whole not wanting to wear leather thing.  But I really appreciate the offer.</p>
<p>Not to nitpick  (feeble attempt at politeness while leading in to a nitpick), but I&#8217;m having trouble seeing how the phenomenon you describe is a feedback loop, as opposed to just a trend fatward.  Weight/clothes fit is a product of diet, metabolism, and exercise.  I get that you&#8217;re older now, which means that your metabolism is slower, and you have more demands on your time, and you exercise less.  Seems like this would produce a relatively stable body type, at least until you get older or your lifestyle changes again.  </p>
<p>The part about &#8220;The body changes more&#8230;&#8221; just seems like a natural aging process, rather than a response to an earlier step in the loop.</p>
<p>So the feedback part must be in the final part, about &#8220;Maybe you stop looking in the mirror and/or weighing yourself .&#8221;  And so you eat more or exercise less because you care less, as you adjust to your new body?</p>
<p>Leave it to me to focus on the details of a post at the expense of the overall message, but sometimes it&#8217;s the only way I can understand things.  This still seems like a &#8220;lack of feedback&#8221; loop rather than a feedback loop.  If I&#8217;m getting it, in your younger days you would have looked at yourself in the mirror and decided to lose weight, but now you don&#8217;t.  So how is this different from you just eating what you want and exercising at a level that seems right, without feeling compelled to look skinny?  Where&#8217;s the feedback and the loop?  I mean, it&#8217;s not like you look at yourself in the mirror and say &#8220;I&#8217;m going to go out and eat a pizza right now!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also reading this wondering what it says about agency.  The most common message from society is &#8220;you make yourself into what you are.  If you&#8217;re thin, it&#8217;s because you are virtuous and vigilant.  If you are fat, it&#8217;s because you lack the willpower to eat right and exercise.&#8221;  But we also know that people just have different bodies, and some are easy to keep thin, while others are not.  And age affects this too.  For the most part, your post seems consistent with the truth about weight, which is that it&#8217;s a combination of lifestyle and biology, part within our control and part out of our control.  But I guess what bugs me about calling it a &#8220;feedback loop&#8221; makes it sound so out of control, and minimizes the role of choice.  Being 10 pounds over fitted tops size does not make it inevitable that you will be in a moo-moo next year.  You&#8217;d have to start eating more and exercising less.</p>
<p>Right now, you&#8217;re in a state of caring less about how your body looks than you did when you were younger.  To be bound for Muu-Muu Land, you&#8217;d have to not care at all.  Not saying you should or you shouldn&#8217;t but it doesn&#8217;t seem like where you are now, or where you&#8217;re likely to be any  time soon.  Which is to say, the end of your post sounds very different from a feedback loop.</p>
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		<title>By: 1001 petals</title>
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		<dc:creator>1001 petals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, this just blew my mind. I am so starting on this track. Feeling comfortable with the bit of weight I've kept on post-pregnancy, not really minding that I look 4 mos pregnant 2 yrs after giving birth cause I've just changed the way I dress. . . .

Thank you.

Despite my  very active lifestyle, it is time to get serious and hit the gym.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, this just blew my mind. I am so starting on this track. Feeling comfortable with the bit of weight I&#8217;ve kept on post-pregnancy, not really minding that I look 4 mos pregnant 2 yrs after giving birth cause I&#8217;ve just changed the way I dress. . . .</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Despite my  very active lifestyle, it is time to get serious and hit the gym.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only a brave woman is able to be ruthless with her wardrobe. Way to go!!

Have you ever noticed that the truly remarkable, interesting, and loving women wear muumuus?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only a brave woman is able to be ruthless with her wardrobe. Way to go!!</p>
<p>Have you ever noticed that the truly remarkable, interesting, and loving women wear muumuus?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moderation is the only way.  If you are fit and healthy and feeling well, you should use your considerable brain power to solve the world's problems instead of wasting your energy on trying to get down a size or two!  It's the way The Man is trying to keep women down!  (I'm a proud Wes graduate, yes I am!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moderation is the only way.  If you are fit and healthy and feeling well, you should use your considerable brain power to solve the world&#8217;s problems instead of wasting your energy on trying to get down a size or two!  It&#8217;s the way The Man is trying to keep women down!  (I&#8217;m a proud Wes graduate, yes I am!)</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
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		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the between-the-boob button-gaping issue, it doesn't mean the shirt is too small for you, it means that the buttons are not in proper placement. Take it to the tailor for re-positioning and you are saved! Or double sided clothing tape for a quick, cheap fix....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the between-the-boob button-gaping issue, it doesn&#8217;t mean the shirt is too small for you, it means that the buttons are not in proper placement. Take it to the tailor for re-positioning and you are saved! Or double sided clothing tape for a quick, cheap fix&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Demetra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Demetra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't even get me started on this topic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t even get me started on this topic!</p>
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